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Aycee · Feb 23, 2012, 06:18 AM // 06:18

If they took advantage of a bug, KNOWING what it would do, just to disturb other people then yes I think they should be banned. They were enjoying ruining the game for other people, so why should they deserve to stay?

Swingline · Feb 23, 2012, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Why are you compairing the real world to the game?

This is about Guild Wars the game and screwing with everyone on purpose in the game and I hope the receive the full punishment in the game. Everyone who was kicked out of the game because of ppl like that deserve to be angry and I hope they form an angry mob and demand banning of the guilty players.

How it is significant/insignificant to the real world does not matter.

And after reading all your replies in this thread it makes me wonder if you will be banned also? You almost fit the profile...

Because I shouldn't lose an account ive spent a lot of money on for doing it 3-4 times out of curiosity with no malicious intent to grief others. I was in kamadan at the bugs peak then found out what what causing it. Then Gaile goes on the support forums in a dire mood sending off the notion everyone involved will be permad...

How many bots run rampant through JQ that have ruined my game experience for months because Anet does nothing, how many times have syncers booted out a good random team in RA because they breached the EULA by using a glitch in Anets system. If they actually enforced their EULA then crap like this wouldn't happen. Its a joke is what it is.

This bug was fixed within an hour and all it did was boot people off the game back to the character selection screen. You didn't even have to retype your login info.

LicensedLuny · Feb 23, 2012, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Does anyone know if they're handing out permanent account terminations and/or temporary account suspensions for people deemed guilty of exploiting this?

I've recently been quite surprised at what EULA violations are punished by a temporary "suspension" instead of a permanent "termination." It would be interesting to know what they (Support) are handing out for these cases. Recently, I found that I'm wholly unqualified to guess how Support punishes violations.

shoesbags · Feb 23, 2012, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Because I shouldn't lose an account ive spent a lot of money on for doing it 3-4 times out of curiosity with no malicious intent to grief others. I was in kamadan at the bugs peak then found out what what causing it. Then Gaile goes on the support forums in a dire mood sending off the notion everyone involved will be permad...

How many bots run rampant through JQ that have ruined my game experience for months because Anet does nothing, how many times have syncers booted out a good random team in RA because they breached the EULA by using a glitch in Anets system. If they actually enforced their EULA then crap like this wouldn't happen. Its a joke is what it is.

This bug was fixed within an hour and all it did was boot people off the game back to the character selection screen. You didn't even have to retype your login info.

Your "3-4 times out of curiosity" potentially caused loss of items, and disrupted service for many people. Was once not enough for you? Surely you didn't need "3-4 times" to realize the exploit worked after the first. ANet has always had an incredibly firm no-nonsense stance on EULA violations, regardless of how loyal or how much money you've spent on their products. Remember the mass bot annihilation in May 2010? Good times!

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Originally Posted by EULA

6. CONTENT AND MEMBER CONDUCT

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(d) Member Conduct. You agree not to use the Service to:

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(vii) interfere with or disrupt the Service or servers or networks connected to the Service, or disobey any requirements, procedures, policies or regulations of networks connected to the Service;

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woops!

You're obviously on tilt, lesson learned. Don't do it again, curiosity or not, and hope ANet doesn't find your case ban worthy compared to the other clowns who thought it'd be funny. Maybe they'll think you were legitimately trying to observe a match :3

Swingline · Feb 23, 2012, 08:34 AM // 08:34

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Originally Posted by shoesbags

Your "3-4 times out of curiosity" potentially caused loss of items, and disrupted service for many people. Was once not enough for you? Surely you didn't need "3-4 times" to realize the exploit worked after the first. ANet has always had an incredibly firm no-nonsense stance on EULA violations, regardless of how loyal or how much money you've spent on their products. Remember the mass bot annihilation in May 2010? Good times!

Yea they totally have a zero tolerance on EULA viola... oh wait bots plague JQ every night and its the same ones over and over. A one time bot ban dont mean squat.

It was hard to tell in kamadan wtf was going on since every 1-5 seconds there was a 007 and there were no item losses, all the bug did was rollback the accounts involved for a few seconds and you had your money back. The ladder reset even pointed out the various guilds who sync GvG which is another EULA violation that goes unpunished.

Elnino · Feb 23, 2012, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Yea they totally have a zero tolerance on EULA viola... oh wait bots plague JQ every night and its the same ones over and over. A one time bot ban dont mean squat.

That's because those bots take advantage of a number of loopholes that prevent them from being banned.

Swingline · Feb 23, 2012, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by Elnino

That's because those bots take advantage of a number of loopholes that prevent them from being banned.

Isn't that what the report system is for? I don't know how many times I have reported bots, must be over 100 times.

Rushin Roulette · Feb 23, 2012, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Yea they totally have a zero tolerance on EULA viola... oh wait bots plague JQ every night and its the same ones over and over. A one time bot ban dont mean squat.

It was hard to tell in kamadan wtf was going on since every 1-5 seconds there was a 007 and there were no item losses, all the bug did was rollback the accounts involved for a few seconds and you had your money back. The ladder reset even pointed out the various guilds who sync GvG which is another EULA violation that goes unpunished.

Why are you trying to change the subject of disgussion here from yourself to others?

Your arguments sound like a rapist telling the cops that they should not arrest him because there are murderers out there.

What do Syncers, botters and scammers have to do with this situation? Right, nothing. Players intentionally crashed Anets servers and thats that. Now it is up to Anet to figure out which of the players who crashed the server were legitimately trying to use the observe mode and which ones were intentionally and knowingly abusing a bug in the code.

I think the chat plus the action logs shuold show which ones were logging back on with a "wtf?" in local chat and which ones were counting down right before pressing the observe button.

JONO51 · Feb 23, 2012, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Sounds like this has created a huge mess for ANet, especially if they have to do account restorations for people who lost stuff. Also, this whole thread brings back memories of the duping thread. I am just wondering when "I only tested it a few times" becomes "okay, maybe I did a few countdowns, but everyone else did!". Perhaps in a few pages.

Olle · Feb 23, 2012, 09:19 AM // 09:19

So many people that "just tried it 1 time" are now so scared of getting a ban.

1 time= 1 server crash
1 server crash.... isnt that already to much?

Missing HB · Feb 23, 2012, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

What do Syncers, botters and scammers have to do with this situation? Right, nothing. Players intentionally crashed Anets servers and thats that. Now it is up to Anet to figure out which of the players who crashed the server were legitimately trying to use the observe mode and which ones were intentionally and knowingly abusing a bug in the code.

Although i got to agree doing 3-4 times like he said was too much, i do believe , like i said in previous page, that if they did what they were supposed to do against syncers and botters instead of acting like " laalalalalala /care PvP lalalalala", noone would have done it more than once if at all...

Players intentionnaly crashed the servor, something forbidden , obviously it's bad and actually i think players who did it intentionnaly more than once deserve at least something... But seriously, if the only argument is " using exploit is bad", i could quote a multitude of players syncing every single format for TWO YEARS now although it's stated that match manipulation means banned( entering GvG matchs with few accounts to farm quest alone is clearly an abuse and deserves a ban), i could quote players abusing a bug to get top times in PvE farmings , i could quote the tons of botters that are still out in anjeka shrine, in jade quarry , etc...

You know, in life, it's usually said that as long as people don't get caught, they will keep trying , until they get caught and realize how bad and dangerous what they did was.. That's quite what happened here.. Players abused for years, nothing was done..

spun ducky · Feb 23, 2012, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by Olle

So many people that "just tried it 1 time" are now so scared of getting a ban.

1 time= 1 server crash
1 server crash.... isnt that already to much?

I think with that logic I feel bad for the few that actually tried to observe the HA match and didn't know what happened as with that logic you would have to ban innocent people.

E N I G M A · Feb 23, 2012, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Swingline

It was hard to tell in kamadan wtf was going on since every 1-5 seconds there was a 007 and there were no item losses, all the bug did was rollback the accounts involved for a few seconds and you had your money back. The ladder reset even pointed out the various guilds who sync GvG which is another EULA violation that goes unpunished.

From my experience, my items are permanently loss (no rollback on them). It seems things received from collectors or anything not bought from merchants are the ones that are lost permanently.

Rushin Roulette · Feb 23, 2012, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Although i got to agree doing 3-4 times like he said was too much, i do believe , like i said in previous page, that if they did what they were supposed to do against syncers and botters instead of acting like " laalalalalala /care PvP lalalalala", noone would have done it more than once if at all...

Players intentionnaly crashed the servor, something forbidden , obviously it's bad and actually i think players who did it intentionnaly more than once deserve at least something... But seriously, if the only argument is " using exploit is bad", i could quote a multitude of players syncing every single format for TWO YEARS now although it's stated that match manipulation means banned( entering GvG matchs with few accounts to farm quest alone is clearly an abuse and deserves a ban), i could quote players abusing a bug to get top times in PvE farmings , i could quote the tons of botters that are still out in anjeka shrine, in jade quarry , etc...

You know, in life, it's usually said that as long as people don't get caught, they will keep trying , until they get caught and realize how bad and dangerous what they did was.. That's quite what happened here.. Players abused for years, nothing was done..

I agree wholehartedly with you. Anet should take action against players Intentionally using exploits or botting to crash servers or gain an advantage ingame.

Where I do draw the line however is by players who try to find an excuse for their actions by saying other people are doing other wrong things fro a while already. Either stand to your mistakes, try for some honesty and hope for some understanding from the players and companies you intentionally "harmed" (from lack of a better word) and learn not to make similar mistakes again, or leave it. I just dont like to read stupid excuses.

Mercury Angel · Feb 23, 2012, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Well aren't you ready to join the angry mob. It scares me to know how much blood you want for an act so insignificant in the world.

The act of repeatedly crashing the servers and causing inconvenience to other players and data loss is indeed insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Logically, it then follows that being permanently banned from an online video game is similarly insignificant in that same context. That argument seems rather pointless to make, accordingly.

In any event, I could see why people would be curious about the cause of a string of crashes... and it's entirely reasonable that people would test a serious bug they suspect they've discovered before reporting it so that they can explain it in detail. It takes staggering levels of poor judgment, however, to repeatedly perform such 'tests' in highly populated outposts, and share that information with other players.
Mind, I don't doubt that many people did so in poor judgment rather than having malicious intent... It's just not necessarily as much of a defense as one might hope.

Tullzinski · Feb 23, 2012, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Because I shouldn't lose an account ive spent a lot of money on for doing it 3-4 times out of curiosity with no malicious intent to grief others. I was in kamadan at the bugs peak then found out what what causing it. Then Gaile goes on the support forums in a dire mood sending off the notion everyone involved will be permad...

How many bots run rampant through JQ that have ruined my game experience for months because Anet does nothing, how many times have syncers booted out a good random team in RA because they breached the EULA by using a glitch in Anets system. If they actually enforced their EULA then crap like this wouldn't happen. Its a joke is what it is.

This bug was fixed within an hour and all it did was boot people off the game back to the character selection screen. You didn't even have to retype your login info.

Good Luck with that, hopefully ANET will take that into consideration. I agree that the punishment should fit the crime.

The screenshot I saw was just wrong, counting down to a disconnect while other ppl plead for him to stop deserves a permaban IMO and a good swift kick in the crotch. Seeing that ss and seeing someone with that exact same guild tag coming on here crying for no bans pisses me off. Still

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LicensedLuny · Feb 23, 2012, 02:35 PM // 14:35

I'm sorry for any derailment this leads to, but I have to say it ...

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Originally Posted by shoesbags

... ANet has always had an incredibly firm no-nonsense stance on EULA violations ...

ANet might, but I think it's NCSoft Support handing out the bans. The assertion you're making there about how severely they punish flagrant EULA violations is incorrect. In my experience, it can be dangerously incorrect.

Given what you "know" about what gets people banned, would you think that a player they had logs and proof to show intentionally defrauded another out of 175e by exploiting an aspect of the game where items have identical appearances in the trade window would cost the scammer permanent loss of his account? I always thought surely it would, having only heard about what gets other players permabanned. I figured that was plenty disincentive in place to trust someone was trading me the right thing. I was wrong. That guy (with that account) had not yet screwed enough other players out of enough pixels for them to permaban him for screwing me out of 175e recently. He got a temporary suspension thanks to my report, not a permanent termination. Here's a link to the trader's outpost thread I started if you want more details.

The tl;dr version is - DO NOT read threads like this or even posts from ANet staff celebrating all the recent bans of rule breakers and trust that there's any actual threat of permanent account loss as a disincentive against EULA violations. Such mistaken faith can cost you!

Spiritz · Feb 23, 2012, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Swingline - way i see it is this
Bots regardless of how many times you report one and one gets banned there will always be another bot to replace it.No matter how hard anet tries botters usually are 1 step ahead.And im sure as hell surprised on internet how easy when visiting sites you get ads for gold services and more than often they use bots.
Now your side is a bit different - say your a lil teenager who on his pc manages to hack into stock exchange a few times and cause utter mayhem causing stocks to crash and money crisis.Do you think that if caught the authorites will say "naughty boy and dont do it again" ?
Say you were one of the victims of the other day and you lost stuff , maybe even managed to get a few titles then have them rolled back and removed - how would you feel towards the idiots who caused it ?
If it wouldnt matter to you ( obviously it does because a ban you have probs with ) then why not give everything on your account away - delete every chr and be left with squat.
Better still if someone hacked you bank account and took all your money ( i assume your over 16 and had money in there ) and then what - i bet you`d be crying out for justice.
Is there a difference to those scenarios ? NO , one saying springs to mind as suitable "If you do the crime YOU DO THE TIME "
Players usually want to have an enjoyable time in gw and having all the crap happen other day doesnt count as fun to many , wonder how many potential new gamers saw the problems and thought - gw must be like WoW , Full of little kids .
Being an ass doesnt give a gd image of what gw players are like - especially with what happened - i bet you had fun doing it several times but id bet the players who`s enjoyment you disrupted wasnt having fun and would have been rather mad.
As a parent and a player - im going to be enjoying the punishment ppl responsible will get as its well deserved and we`ll probably see your name on the usual - i got banned qq`s

Missing HB · Feb 23, 2012, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

Being an ass doesnt give a gd image of what gw players are like - especially with what happened - i bet you had fun doing it several times but id bet the players who`s enjoyment you disrupted wasnt having fun and would have been rather mad.

I entirely agree with you, but once again, me and others will say here that syncers and botters are ruining our experience. Again earlier i went in codex, i beat twice people who resigned instantly, then beat a real team and we didn't get any opponent for an hour. When i came back at lunch, those guys were playing again... Other example : syncers leaving halls once i won a team in the underworld..

To use your sentence again : Those guys( and they're many, probably only " PvP'ers "left) are not giving a good image of gw , and i didn't appreciate while they ruined my fun and my time and i rather got mad( and it's been the case for about a year now)

If i , once again, agree to say that manipulating the servor is something much bigger than syncing since it's controling the entire game, not wasting a hundred of players time, i still believe that this would never have happened if they did do more regarding to the /report system and to what is happening in the game..

Daesu · Feb 23, 2012, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Wow, I didn't even know this happened. Luckily I was too busy vanquishing somewhere.

Yes this is certainly an exploit and might have been used to dupe if it rolls back a character after passing the item to another character and have that character leave the area.